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Post by glrogers67 on Oct 16, 2016 6:57:30 GMT
Welcome!! You have entered a space where all people are invited to gather to discuss matters of Spirituality, in mutual respect and friendliness: "Considering...Spirituality." Here, the focus is on personal spirituality and not dogma. We welcome with open arms people from any, all, and no religious/faith backgrounds, and those who practice spirituality on their own, to join us for a discussion centered on a higher consciousness. Each day there will be a quote, question, or discussion prompt presented for all to ponder and respond to.
**In maintaining an atmosphere of comfort and trust, we do not allow proselytizing (the effort of trying to convert others) or the denigrating of the religions and viewpoints of others. We also avoid bringing up topics such as politics, hot button social issues, or anything that can be considered divisive**
As this was a WW board, we also discuss our personal wellness, including our weight management program. We share our struggles and our triumphs regarding such as well as discuss things like family, friends, jobs, hobbies, outside interests, etc... We strive to build each other up with loving support in a positive manner. Let us not ever tear one another down in any way, shape or form.
Regular thread starters for the time being are:
Sunday, Monday, Tuesday: Gary / Wednesday, Thursday, Friday: Holly
Yet if anyone is so inclined, please feel free to start a new thread by beginning with the title: "Considering....(topic -q/q)", post this introduction (by way of copy & paste) then follow that with a post putting forth a question and/or quote (with or without some explanation) for us to ponder today. The topic can be inspired by your personal faith, but please do remember that anyone from other spiritual paths should be able to answer it.
Shalom, Love & Light, Blessed Be, Namaste...
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Post by glrogers67 on Oct 16, 2016 7:06:57 GMT
I think we may have discussed this topic before but an LDS Living article about it caught my attention. Here are some excerpts:
You’ve probably been in a Church meeting when someone starts sharing a story that you’ve already heard quite a few times. Maybe it feels like a few hundred times. There are probably a few stories you could even recite.
I remember hearing one such story when I was a young man. It was about President Spencer W. Kimball (1895–1985), and I had heard it so many times that I figured I could probably tell it in my sleep. One stormy night, President Kimball saw a pregnant young mother and her two-year-old daughter in an airport. The mother couldn’t pick up her child because of the threat of miscarriage, so she scooted the sobbing child along with her foot.
Grumpy passengers looked at her judgmentally and said unkind things under their breath, but President Kimball immediately offered to help.
With the mother’s permission, he picked up and consoled the child and gave the girl a piece of gum. Then he kindly spoke to those in line and asked if the young mother could move to the front. The once-grumbling passengers immediately agreed. He spoke with the clerk and got them on the next available flight, ensuring them a safe and much faster trip home.
It wasn’t until years later that I learned one reason why the Lord wanted me to know this story by heart.
I was living in Tokyo, Japan, with my wife and one-year-old daughter. One cold, stormy day, I walked to the train station to catch a train. I pushed through the masses of people and umbrellas, and I made my way down the flight of stairs where I saw a young woman holding a screaming baby. Tears streamed down the mother’s exhausted face, but the people passing them only walked on, muttering about the pair.
Immediately I remembered the story of President Kimball. The memory came to me with such force that I immediately stopped and asked if I could help. Once I assured her of my sincerity, she let me hold her baby and told me her story.
She was waiting for her husband to return from making a phone call about a possible job offer. He had been out of work for months, and they were homeless and living in a park.
Just then, her husband returned. Once his wife and I explained who I was, he slumped against the wall. The phone call had been fruitless. He was still jobless, and they were still homeless.
I didn’t have a stick of gum to offer anybody, but I wanted to help. Knowing that Church leaders can sometimes help in these situations, I called my stake president and asked if he could meet with them. He quickly agreed to see us that evening. After I hung up, I gave them what money I had and instructed them to buy food and to meet me later. None of them had eaten in over 24 hours.
Later that night, we walked to the stake center, where the stake president warmly greeted them and ushered us into his office.
As we talked, the father told us that after months of living in hunger and desperation, he and his wife decided that if he didn’t get a job that day, they would leave the baby at a police station and take their own lives.
As I listened, I felt a wave of gratitude for the example and teachings of prophets. I silently thanked Heavenly Father for stories that I had once found boring and repetitive. Without that repetition, I doubt the story of President Kimball would have come to me with enough force to guide my own actions that night.
This couple eventually joined the LDS church and were able to get back on their feet with the help of church members.
Today's q/q: How does repetition help you in your spiritual path?
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Post by hollygail on Oct 16, 2016 13:14:40 GMT
Every morning (okay, almost every morning) I recite a prayer we call the amidah, which literally means "standing," and yes, it's said while standing up. During the week, it has 19 benedictions (on the Sabbath, the first three and final three are the same as during the week, but the middle 13, which are petitionary in nature, are replaced by one benediction which is not; we are taught not to ask God to work on the Sabbath as we have been taught not to work on the Sabbath). I recite some of the benedictions in the original Hebrew and some in an English translation (I'm learning more of the 19 in Hebrew as time goes on). I found relatively early on (that is, relatively soon after I started attending weekday morning services) that my life was more infused with spirituality and calm, and I credit saying the daily amidah for the growth of my spirituality and feelings of calm all during the day.
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Post by glrogers67 on Oct 16, 2016 15:24:43 GMT
My favorite latter-day prophet was President Spencer W. Kimball. He was raised right here in the Gila Valley, Arizona about 3 miles from where I live. I have heard the airport story many times during my membership in the church and it is one of my favorite stories. I have often said here that we are not a ritualistic church, that we do most things from the heart and not from repetition, but I may be wrong about that assertion. Words from our prophets and other leaders in conferences, etc. are repeated many times in our meetings in order to bring home the message. We humans have a relatively short attention span and we need repetition to keep important messages close to our heart. We use the scriptures in our meetings all the time, but there are favorite passages that tend to get quoted more often than others because they have such a powerful and pertinent meaning in our lives. We repeat our study of the standard works (scriptures) in our Sunday School classes every 4 years. This year we are completing a study of the Book of Mormon. Next year, starting in January, we will be studying the Doctrine & Covenants - a book of modern revelation - along with a study of LDS church history. In 2018 we will be studying the Old Testament and Pearl of Great Price which contains additional writings of Abraham and Moses among other things. In 2019 we will study the New Testament and life of Jesus Christ. In 2020 we will return to an emphasis on the Book of Mormon again, full circle. By the time we come back to the Book of Mormon it will be "new" to us again.
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Post by hollygail on Oct 17, 2016 3:34:54 GMT
Gary, we do something sort of similar regarding repetition. For one thing, the morning amidah (both the daily one and the Sabbath one) are read silently by each individual, and then repeated out loud by whoever's leading that particular service. Second, the Five Books of Moses is read "cover to cover" every year. The Jewish holiday called "Rejoicing in the Torah" (Simchat Torah, where the "ch" is the guttural fricative like in Chanukah or challah, NOT like the first sound in Charles) is coming up in a little more than a week. This week, we're going to be reading the last parts of Deuteronomy, then on Simchat Torah itself, we read the last verses of Deuteronomy followed immediately by the first verses of Genesis.
And on Oct. 29, I have the honor of chanting Gen 2:1-3, the 7th of seven divisions of the weekly reading (1 The heaven and the earth were finished, and all their array. 2 On the seventh day God finished the work that God had been doing, and God ceased on the seventh day from all the work that God had done. 3 And God blessed the seventh day and declared it holy, because on it God ceased from all the work of creation that God had done.) It just so happens that these verses are included in the Sabbath eve version of the (silent) amidah which I've been reading for years, and I already know the melodies and pronunciation of all the words and phrases, so I have almost no studying to do for it. Talk about how useful it is to repeat things enough times...
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Post by hollygail on Oct 17, 2016 3:37:41 GMT
Gary, I was going to ask you something. The synagogue where I teach on Sunday afternoons is located diagonally across the street from a Mormon church. When I left this evening, people from the LDS church were parking on the street in front of the synagogue, and as I passed the church, I looked at the parking lot: it was full. People were dressed very nicely and I saw quite a few walking into the church.
So my question is: was this evening something special for LDS? Or perhaps it was maybe like a wedding or something, that is, local in nature? Thanks for any light you can shed on my observations.
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Post by glrogers67 on Oct 17, 2016 6:52:33 GMT
Holly, usually if it is an evening gathering it may be a wedding reception or a fireside, perhaps with a special speaker. Sometimes there are special stake meetings in the evening. Hard to say exactly what was going on then. If it were a morning meeting (around 10:00 AM) I would say it was a stake conference. If it were a Saturday evening it could have been the adult session of a stake conference. My gf had her stake conference today and we will be having ours on the 30th (with the adult session Saturday evening the 29th).
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