Considering ... Spiritual Gifts, Tue/Wed 9/27-28/2016

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Considering ... Spiritual Gifts, Tue/Wed 9/27-28/2016 Sept 27, 2016 4:29:15 GMT

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Welcome!! You have entered a space where all people are invited to gather to discuss matters of Spirituality, in mutual respect and friendliness: "Considering...Spirituality." Here, the focus is on personal spirituality and not dogma. We welcome with open arms people from any, all, and no religious/faith backgrounds, and those who practice spirituality on their own, to join us for a discussion centered on a higher consciousness. Each day there will be a quote, question, or discussion prompt presented for all to ponder and respond to.

**In maintaining an atmosphere of comfort and trust, we do not allow proselytizing (the effort of trying to convert others) or the denigrating of the religions and viewpoints of others. We also avoid bringing up topics such as politics, hot button social issues, or anything that can be considered divisive**

As this was a WW board, we also discuss our personal wellness, including our weight management program. We share our struggles and our triumphs regarding such as well as discuss things like family, friends, jobs, hobbies, outside interests, etc... We strive to build each other up with loving support in a positive manner. Let us not ever tear one another down in any way, shape or form.

Regular thread starters for the time being are:

Sunday, Monday, Tuesday: Gary

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Yet if anyone is so inclined, please feel free to start a new thread by beginning with the title: "Considering....(topic -q/q)", post this introduction (by way of copy & paste) then follow that with a post putting forth a question and/or quote (with or without some explanation) for us to ponder today. The topic can be inspired by your personal faith, but please do remember that anyone from other spiritual paths should be able to answer it.

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Considering ... Spiritual Gifts, Tue/Wed 9/27-28/2016 Sept 27, 2016 4:41:06 GMT

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The suggested Family Home Evening lesson for this week is on the 7th Article of Faith:

“We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.”

An expanded version of this succinct statement of LDS belief is in 1 Corinthians 12:7-11

7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

Today's q/q: Do you believe in gifts of the spirit? Do some people seem to have more spiritual gifts than others? Are there spiritual gifts you have or can develop? Do you recognize spiritual gifts in others?

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Considering ... Spiritual Gifts, Tue/Wed 9/27-28/2016 Sept 27, 2016 19:36:28 GMT

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Just a quick post and run. I got an email this morning from my rabbi that a former adult student of mine had a stroke and is in a hospital maybe 10 minutes from my house. So I went to morning minyan, said the prayer for the ill for her, came home and called the hospital to speak with the mother. It was clear to me that the mother was not at all clear, so I just dropped everything and went to the hospital. Came home a little while ago for lunch, and now I'm going back to the hospital. My rabbi has been unable to get to the hospital yet, so I played the part of being the pastoral presence for the mother. Very difficult situation; my friend is 45 and is not expected to pull through. She's unconscious, on a respirator and has other tubes going into her body... The mother seems mentally paralyzed, unable to make any decisions about her daughter (I was there when the nephrologist came to discuss dialysis since her kidneys aren't functioning, for instance, and the mother cannot decide whether to put her daughter on dialysis or what). Going back to the hospital now.

glrogers67 Full Member Posts: 182	Considering ... Spiritual Gifts, Tue/Wed 9/27-28/2016 Sept 27, 2016 21:39:43 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by glrogers67 on Sept 27, 2016 21:39:43 GMT So sorry to hear about your friend/student. My prayers for her and for you as you provide service and comfort to her mother.

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Considering ... Spiritual Gifts, Tue/Wed 9/27-28/2016 Sept 28, 2016 3:10:50 GMT

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Turns out it may not have been a stroke, but the rest is pretty much as I thought. I spent almost the entire day there, sometimes crying, sometimes comforting someone else who was crying, and talking with the nurses and a chaplain, mostly filling him in on some family background so he could speak with the mother. I so very much admire chaplains, at least this one and at least one or two others I've met. He spent, I don't know, 15, 20, 30 minutes? with the mother and was able to get an answer out of her that really came from her being "in the present." I and other close family friends who'd been there since 6 in the morning weren't able to get her to be in the moment. She kept blaming herself (seems she took the dogs out for a walk and talked on the phone with her sister before checking on her daughter; she found her on the floor in her room and called the paramedics who took her to the hospital where the mother found out her brain had been deprived of oxygen for 30 to 45 minutes. I kept hearing "if only I hadn't taken the dogs out for a walk" and "if only I hadn't talked on the phone with my sister" kinds of things; she said if she had checked on her daughter earlier, she'd have been able to call the paramedics before all the brain damage had occurred, and maybe early enough that her daughter wouldn't be in the state she was in... And she was in denial about just how bad off her daughter was. Yet this chaplain who never met any of us before was able to bring her to a place where she was able to understand the actual situation without recriminations (etc.) and she was able to offer alternatives she'd be willing to face if and when the time came... Wow.

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Considering ... Spiritual Gifts, Tue/Wed 9/27-28/2016

Post by glrogers67 on Sept 27, 2016 4:29:15 GMT

Post by glrogers67 on Sept 27, 2016 4:41:06 GMT

Post by hollygail on Sept 27, 2016 19:36:28 GMT

Post by glrogers67 on Sept 27, 2016 21:39:43 GMT

Post by hollygail on Sept 28, 2016 3:10:50 GMT

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