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Post by glrogers67 on Sept 19, 2016 4:24:13 GMT
Welcome!! You have entered a space where all people are invited to gather to discuss matters of Spirituality, in mutual respect and friendliness: "Considering...Spirituality." Here, the focus is on personal spirituality and not dogma. We welcome with open arms people from any, all, and no religious/faith backgrounds, and those who practice spirituality on their own, to join us for a discussion centered on a higher consciousness. Each day there will be a quote, question, or discussion prompt presented for all to ponder and respond to.
**In maintaining an atmosphere of comfort and trust, we do not allow proselytizing (the effort of trying to convert others) or the denigrating of the religions and viewpoints of others. We also avoid bringing up topics such as politics, hot button social issues, or anything that can be considered divisive**
As this is a WW board, we also discuss our personal wellness, including our weight management program. We share our struggles and our triumphs regarding such as well as discuss things like family, friends, jobs, hobbies, outside interests, etc... We strive to build each other up with loving support in a positive manner. Let us not ever tear one another down in any way, shape or form.
Regular thread starters for the time being are:
Sunday, Monday, Tuesday: Gary
Wednesday, Thursday, Friday: Holly
Yet if anyone is so inclined, please feel free to start a new thread by beginning with the title: "Considering....(topic -q/q)", post this introduction (by way of copy & paste) then follow that with a post putting forth a question and/or quote (with or without some explanation) for us to ponder today. The topic can be inspired by your personal faith, but please do remember that anyone from other spiritual paths should be able to answer it.
Shalom, Love & Light, Blessed Be, Namaste...
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Post by glrogers67 on Sept 19, 2016 4:34:05 GMT
As part of our groundrules for this thread:
**In maintaining an atmosphere of comfort and trust, we do not allow proselytizing (the effort of trying to convert others) or the denigrating of the religions and viewpoints of others. We also avoid bringing up topics such as politics, hot button social issues, or anything that can be considered divisive**
We are in a very contentious national election season in which the potential for contention is ever present. In fact, this potential is so great that one of our Apostles, Elder Dallin H. Oaks, issued the following statement:
“Today, I say that if the Church or its doctrines are attacked in blogs and other social media, contentious responses are not helpful. They disappoint our friends and provoke our adversaries,” said Elder Dallin H. Oaks of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints during an address to students at Brigham Young University. The Mormon apostle was the devotional speaker in the Marriott Center on the Provo, Utah, campus Tuesday, September 13, 2016.
Elder Oaks began his remarks by speaking about the national and local elections that are just around the corner on November 8. “This audience includes thousands who will soon have their first opportunity to vote.”
“The few months preceding an election have always been times of serious political divisions, but the divisions and meanness we are experiencing in this election, especially at the presidential level, seem to be unusually wide and ugly,” he expressed.
“We should also remember not to be part of the current meanness,” Elder Oaks stressed. “We should communicate about our differences with a minimum of offense.”
He continued, “TV, the internet, and the emboldened anonymity of the blogosphere have replaced whatever remained of the measured discourse of the past and have facilitated the current ugliness. Nevertheless, as the First Presidency always reminds us, we have the responsibility to become informed about the issues and candidates and to independently exercise our right to vote.”
Elder Oaks emphasized when our positions on issues do not succeed, we need to “graciously” accept the results and “practice civility” with those who oppose our views.
“In the distressing circumstances that surround us, we must trust in God and His promises and hold fast to the vital gospel teaching of hope,” he said.
Elder Oaks said every generation faces challenges that can cause us to be discouraged. He told a story of when he was first enrolled at BYU, 66 years ago, at the beginning of the Korean War. At age 18, he wasn’t sure if his Utah National Guard field artillery group would be mobilized. His group was not asked to join the war, so he continued his formal education.
“While some abandon progress, you of faith should hope on and press on with your education, your lives, and your families,” said Elder Oaks.
Elder Oaks voiced concern over social and legal trends “that are likely to affect the fundamental guarantees that are so vital to fulfill our Church’s mission and to accomplish BYU’s educational mission.”
“I am convinced that a worldwide tide is currently running against both religious freedom and its parallel freedoms of speech and assembly,” he explained. “I believe religious freedom is declining because faith in God and the pursuit of God-centered religion is declining worldwide.”
In education, Elder Oaks said “open inquiry and communication are being replaced on too many campuses by a culture of intellectual conformity and the silencing or intimidation of opposition.”
The former BYU president recalled the first devotional address he gave on campus 41 years ago, when his oldest daughter was a freshman at BYU. His oldest great-granddaughter is now a sophomore on the Provo campus. “Times goes on,” he said.
Today's q/q: What do you think of Elder Oaks advice? How does one go about standing up for one's beliefs when attacked without being contentious?
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Post by hollygail on Sept 19, 2016 20:17:17 GMT
Depending on how I'm attacked, I may just shrug my shoulders and walk away (literally and/or figuratively). That happened not so long ago... However, I may hold my ground. I agree that contentiousness doesn't solve anything. If I have facts at my disposal, I'll use them. If the other person is expressing a feeling (emotion), then there's no way to counter that. I may or may not acknowledge that the person has the right to feel any way s/he wants to, just not the right to take something out on me...
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Post by glrogers67 on Sept 19, 2016 23:09:44 GMT
I have more contention in my life than I would like, but then sometimes I invite it by participating on political threads and the like. Back when I first joined the LDS church some anti-Mormon literature came into my hands. I started reading the persuasive arguments and found myself getting more and more upset. I talked to another member about it and he said the best way to respond to an attack on my beliefs is to bear testimony to what I know to be true. The attacker can make many persuasive arguments, but they can't argue about what you know to be true. It has worked for me many times. However, walking away from an argument is the best policy when you can.
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