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Post by glrogers67 on Aug 29, 2016 4:09:11 GMT
Welcome!! You have entered a space where all people are invited to gather to discuss matters of Spirituality, in mutual respect and friendliness: "Considering...Spirituality." Here, the focus is on personal spirituality and not dogma. We welcome with open arms people from any, all, and no religious/faith backgrounds, and those who practice spirituality on their own, to join us for a discussion centered on a higher consciousness. Each day there will be a quote, question, or discussion prompt presented for all to ponder and respond to.
**In maintaining an atmosphere of comfort and trust, we do not allow proselytizing (the effort of trying to convert others) or the denigrating of the religions and viewpoints of others. We also avoid bringing up topics such as politics, hot button social issues, or anything that can be considered divisive**
As this was a WW board, we also discuss our personal wellness, including our weight management program. We share our struggles and our triumphs regarding such as well as discuss things like family, friends, jobs, hobbies, outside interests, etc... We strive to build each other up with loving support in a positive manner. Let us not ever tear one another down in any way, shape or form.
Regular thread starters for the time being are:
Sunday, Monday, Tuesday: Gary / Wednesday, Thursday, Friday: Holly
Yet if anyone is so inclined, please feel free to start a new thread by beginning with the title: "Considering ... (topic)," post this introduction (by way of copy & paste) then follow that with a post putting forth a question and/or quote (with or without some explanation) for us to ponder today. The topic can be inspired by your personal faith, but please do remember that anyone from other spiritual paths should be able to answer it.
Shalom, Love & Light, Blessed Be, Namaste...
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Post by glrogers67 on Aug 29, 2016 4:24:35 GMT
The following is extracted from the final address by Elder Jeffrey R. Holland in the April, 2016 LDS general conference. This is from the lesson presented in our priesthood group today:
Remember that when Moses came down from his singular experience on Mount Sinai, he found that his people had “corrupted themselves” and had “turned aside quickly.”2 There they were at the foot of the mountain, busily fashioning a golden calf to worship, in the very hour that Jehovah, at the summit of the mountain, had been telling Moses, “Thou shalt have no other gods before me” and “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.”3 Moses was not happy with his flock of wandering Israelites that day!
During His earthly ministry, Jesus took Peter, James, and John to the Mount of Transfiguration, where, the scriptures say, “his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.”4 The heavens opened, ancient prophets came, and God the Father spoke.
After such a celestial experience, what does Jesus come down the mountain to find? Well, first He found an argument between His disciples and their antagonists over a failed blessing administered to a young boy. Then He tried to convince the Twelve—unsuccessfully, it turns out—that He would soon be delivered up to local rulers who would kill Him. Then someone mentioned that a tax was due, which was forthrightly paid. Then He had to rebuke some of the brethren because they were arguing about who would be the greatest in His kingdom. All of this led Him at one point to say, “O faithless generation, … how long shall I suffer you?”5 He had occasion to ask that question more than once during His ministry. No wonder He longed for the prayerful solitude of mountaintops!
Realizing that we all have to come down from peak experiences to deal with the regular vicissitudes of life, may I offer this encouragement as general conference concludes.
First of all, if in the days ahead you not only see limitations in those around you but also find elements in your own life that don’t yet measure up to the messages you have heard this weekend, please don’t be cast down in spirit and don’t give up. The gospel, the Church, and these wonderful semiannual gatherings are intended to give hope and inspiration. They are not intended to discourage you. Only the adversary, the enemy of us all, would try to convince us that the ideals outlined in general conference are depressing and unrealistic, that people don’t really improve, that no one really progresses. And why does Lucifer give that speech? Because he knows he can’t improve, he can’t progress, that worlds without end he will never have a bright tomorrow. He is a miserable man bound by eternal limitations, and he wants you to be miserable too. Well, don’t fall for that. With the gift of the Atonement of Jesus Christ and the strength of heaven to help us, we can improve, and the great thing about the gospel is we get credit for trying, even if we don’t always succeed.
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I could not easily eliminate or modify the references to Jesus Christ, Holly. Please substitute terms you are comfortable with.
Today's q/q: This message references what we in the church call "high mountain" experiences. Before temples were built, the Lord often appeared to His prophets on mountain tops for privacy in delivering the messages. Do you have "high mountain" experiences in which your spirituality is enhanced only to "come down" from this experience to the humdrum of everyday living? How can you maintain a "spiritual high" and still live everyday life?
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Post by hollygail on Aug 29, 2016 5:18:05 GMT
I had a "high mountain" experience a few times in my life. I'm reticent about discussing them online. Suffice it to say that each one changed my life, propelling me in a new direction. I hold those experiences very dear.
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Post by glrogers67 on Aug 29, 2016 13:28:31 GMT
Holly, my question wasn't necessarily about the "high mountain" experiences we have but how you handle coming down from the spiritual "high" back to "real life"?
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Post by hollygail on Aug 29, 2016 13:44:48 GMT
I'm not sure I "came down" after the experiences... As I said, each one changed my life, propelling me in a new direction, which I'm still following.
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Post by fabulessme on Aug 29, 2016 17:55:07 GMT
I've had what I would call transformational experiences. And when you come back down to earth, it's a huge adjustment and sometimes even a let down. But the truth is that the experience is the launching pad. It' for you to know what it can be like and to work towards making that experience the norm rather than the occasional awesome moment. Our marriage isn't all about the wedding day and the honeymoon. Our marriage is everything after that. Spiritual living is the same. We draw strength from the experience to carry us through the "normal" things that make life life. It can't all be mountain tops or we would not value the experience. Still, the adjustment is tough at least for me. Everything that was once important, seems trivial and I look to focus my life force energy towards things of better value.
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Post by hollygail on Aug 29, 2016 18:26:59 GMT
Nora reminds me of part of the morning liturgy, which I took for granted for a while. Then, the new Reform movement's prayer book was published, and they title this one particular prayer (consisting of 14 or 15, depending on how you count, one line blessings). The title is Nisim b'chol Yom, Miracles of the Day (but I translate "chol yom" as the "ordinary" or "regular" day, as compared, for example with a "holy" day). Here's an example:
Blessed is Adonai our God, Ruler of the universe, who removes sleep from my eyes and slumber from my eyelids. [in other words, who let me wake up this morning, or who kept me alive overnight, or the like) Blessed ... who makes the blind to see. Blessed ... who clothes the naked. Blessed ... who frees the captive. Blessed ... who raises up the humble. Blessed ... who makes firm a person's steps. Blessed ... who made me in your image. Blessed ... who made me free. [etc.]
In other words, these little things that we pay no attention to (like having survived overnight and being able to wake up to a new day), sometimes also called "hidden miracles" in Jewish teachings, are actually miracles and we do better to notice and acknowledge them (rather than continue to take them for granted, for instance).
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Post by glrogers67 on Aug 30, 2016 1:30:16 GMT
So the idea is to take notice of the daily miracles in our lives. Well, I experienced a miracle today. My gf finally called!!!! Now I realize the issues that caused the rift haven't gone away but I am more focused on what is important to her and I think vice versa.
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